This is news to us. Our primary DX is a CLI. One of our defining features is hardware isolation. To use us, you have to manage Dockerfiles. Have you had the experience of teaching hundreds of Heroku refugees how to maintain a Dockerfile? We have had that experience. Have you ever successfully explained the distinction between "automated" Postgres and "managed" Postgres? We have not.
You're not wrong that there's a PaaS/public-cloud dividing line, and that we're at an odd place between those two things. But I mean, no, it is not the case that our audience is strictly developers who do nothing low-level. I spent months of my life getting _UDP_ working for Fly apps!
> Their audience has always been, and will always be application developers who prefer to do nothing low-level. How did they forget this?
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Their audience has always been, and will always be application developers who prefer to do nothing except to build their main product.
> Our primary DX is a CLI. One of our defining features is hardware isolation. To use us, you have to manage Dockerfiles. Have you had the experience of teaching hundreds of Heroku refugees how to maintain a Dockerfile? We have had that experience. Have you ever successfully explained the distinction between "automated" Postgres and "managed" Postgres? We have not.
I'm pretty much sure an application developer in this day and age has to know all of them, yes. Just like git.
No. It is definitely not the case that the modal developer today needs to know Docker. If only! It's a huge pain point for us with the PaaS customer cohort.
Agreed. I have been amazed at how Little most developers seem to know docker now. It seemed like more people understood docker 5 to 10 years ago than they do now. I'm not sure why this regression, but it is definitely been my experience
You're not wrong that there's a PaaS/public-cloud dividing line, and that we're at an odd place between those two things. But I mean, no, it is not the case that our audience is strictly developers who do nothing low-level. I spent months of my life getting _UDP_ working for Fly apps!