> If you personally prioritize autonomy and creative freedom, but you’re working for an employer that prioritizes conformity and predictability across the organization, you’re going to have a bad time
This is why a hobby/side hustle/side project can be useful for flexing creative urges that you don't have the luxury of carrying out in your job. Because work can be drudgery, and the system pays you well, so maybe have an outlet for creative work on the side (even if it doesn't make you money).
I fully agree. But I also think it's a sign of something broken. It's deeply sad that a generation of talented people have to go home and face a choice: crank out even more hours of work to have an outlet for your creative/professional ideas... or don't, enjoy life, but fall behind and feel appropriately guilty for abandoning your creative impulses.
> crank out even more hours of work to have an outlet for your creative/professional ideas... or don't, enjoy life, but fall behind and feel appropriately guilty for abandoning your creative impulses.
Hopefully following your creative impulses is enjoyable...? And doesn't feel like work...?
That's wishful thinking if your job requires you to do the same physical activity as your hobby (typing, reading a backlit monitor). There are real physical limitations to our human bodies. Plus we require a range of experiences - more "creativity time" may conflict with family or rest or fitness - there are always opportunity costs.
Maybe this is the story of an embarrassment of material wealth. The idea that we should find our job as our main source of identity and fulfillment might be culturally whats wrong, rather than the system of work.
In the past, most people weren’t dilettantes chasing creative pursuits that also paid the bills, yet I’m assuming they managed to have fulfilling, meaningful lives.
How is this different from any other profession? I am sure garbage collectors go home and indulge in other fun things. Yes corporations are loosing out as they are unable to utilize your creativity but let us face it, corporations (and wall st) cares more about mitigating risk no?
I go home and write code for fun (and intense challenges), play sport, play music etc. If I had to pick work that gave me these id have to take a massive pay cut. Yep it is "sad" but I think the bigger loss is for the CO than it is for you. Id even say (if I was being selfish) that work is so damn boring and unchallenging that it actually fills me with energy that I get to take home :). Being broke may not do that for me !
I assume you're not being facetious. This is obviously different from e.g. garbage collection because garbage collectors are not actively involved in designing and optimizing their own schedule.
No I was not. I would have thought it would have been worse for GCs as they had tighter and fixed schedules? At least with software engineer we (ignoring all this rto nonsense) have flexibility. My point was that work pays you mostly because you are working on someone else's dreams (unless you get very lucky) so there is less chance of disappointment if you prepare and plan around this?
Yeah I found that priority mismatch out the hard way. My issue is I haven’t really been able to get a feel for whether that’s going to happen going into a job - I don’t see the writing on the wall until a month or two.
Before joining any job I get some background on the executive team. That will tell you a lot about the culture, and let you know if the current team still has the founder or not (which can make a big impact on company culture).
That will tell you a fair bit, if you brush up on their background you can get some approximate sense of how it may influence company culture. I also look at where they are in life, as this can often indicate where they may lean into their philosophies in decision making. You can find patterns here sometimes.
Then, I do similar for the immediate time I'm working for when I'm hired. That will give you a sense of their personalities, at least.
Next, I really dig into how the company presents itself outwardly, and the general tone they carry. This one is harder for me to describe, but I have noticed that more "stuffy" companies tend to have a certain vibe to their presentation, for instance.
Finally, try to estimate where in the company lifecycle the company is. Is it new and unproven? Is it new yet has product market fit? Is it an older company climbing its peak or has it hit peak and is now largely to the point of being as big as its going to get or may even be plateauing?
these questions usually get me a good enough sense of company culture I haven't felt I've ever been surprised by company culture once I arrive at a given job.
Extra credit you can simply have an off the record conversation with your potential co-workers on LinkedIn or something, but not everyone answers cold questions about what its like working at X
> What's needed for work/life balance is an 8 hour day, a 40 hour week, paid overtime, and a strong union
There are multiple equilibria. It sounds like this is your dream. Go find it. It sounds like hell to me, but I recognise that as a personal choice.
Find a culture that works for you and prioritises what you do. For me, that’s flexibility. Including to work a lot. But also, to not work a contiguous eight-hour block on a fixed schedule. (I also have no interest in being part of a union. I get enough drama hearing about friends’ HOAs.)
> Why does the 40 hour work week sound like hell to you?
I value flexibility more than most people. Today, weather was great, so I took a mid-day break for a hike to walk off a cold. (WFH. I feel fine but my nose is still runny.) That doesn’t work for most people, but it does for me in the right culture when supported by like-minded colleagues.
If I’m passionate about something I’m working on, I also want to be able to huddle together like-minded folks and burn the midnight oil. It’s unhealthy if it becomes a habit (or expectation). But I’ve found it incredibly rewarding, and not just financially.
Importantly, however, I’m not saying that model is hellish. It’s just hell for me. If someone wanted that, I’d support them in having a place where they can find it.
> is it the union thing?
I personally think unions have failed American workers. Their aims are laudable and their supporters’ hearts in the right place. But the track record—in terms of earnings delivered to unionised workers as well as public perceptions—is poor. At worst, it distracts from meaningful and systemic reforms, like giving workers a Board seat or raising the minimum wage.
That said, while I’d probably vote against unionising, I wouldn’t shun a company for having one.
They missed the boat by first and foremost: the labor movement has a strange history of exclusion. While not nearly as true now up until the 50s and 60s labor unions where reluctant to unionize with women, people of color etc. as a united front with white male workers. In short, they screwed up here, bad.
Their second biggest mistake was not targeting middle management and white collar workers. Unions for a long time targeted only wage workers and/or workers in blue collar industries. The truth is, they would have held far more power if they were inside the office too, and middle management is key here. They treat all "management" as the enemy, instead of recognizing the potential that union members all in the management chain could be useful allies.
Thirdly, they're too antagonist when they do want to act in force. While I will fully cede its justified, because corporations are antagonists as well, it didn't have to be this way. There's a world where unions could be real business stake holders representing labor in a more direct way in the business and making workers equal partners. Seat on the board, board transparency, ability to bring board / executive issues to members etc. Those would have been far more valuable to workers than the always fighting mentality focused on extracting rather than sharing in the profits. This in particular feels like a uniquely American problem with organized labor relations though. Countries like Germany and Denmark handle this remarkably well by comparison. That said, going into these things defensively is the only thing that works in today's atmosphere, and I don't blame them, I wish though, we followed a better model on both sides.
But let's be honest here -- for all of their faults, the only reason that the workplace isn't the greater hell that it used to be is because of unions. Even workplaces that aren't unionized.
There is literally no other realistic way of improving the life of working people other than banding together and acting collectively. The power differential is too great otherwise.
The answer isn't to reject the concept of unions. Without unions, we're all hosed.
> is literally no other realistic way of improving the life of working people other than banding together and acting collectively
I agree.
> answer isn't to reject the concept of unions. Without unions, we're all hosed
Disagree. Unions are, today, a sideshow in which the fates of a falling minority of workers, most of whom don’t have the true leverage of collective action due to nonunion competition, are paraded as symbols of worker empowerment while living conditions for the vast majority pitter along.
American unions worked in the industrial age. They’re not a great model today. More problematically, their brand is trashed. Want to kill a worker’s rights bill in a federal context? Brand it as a union fight.
Unions are one mode of organisation. They seem a dead end. What we had in the early stages of open-source coöperatives and Silicon Valley start-ups strikes me as closer to the truth, albeit with European enhancements. (Simple: give the ESOP voting Board seats with e.g. merger veto power and a seat on the executive compensation committee.)
I can respond to the first part: my job has a hard 40 hours per week but also flex time. They're not mutually exclusive.
I can tell my colleagues that I'll be out for the rest of the day and make up the lost hours tomorrow. Conversely, I can work with them into the wee hours and work proportionally less time the rest of the week (it just has to add up to 40 on Friday).
It's my first job, though, and I have no intuition about how common this arrangement is (or how alternatives even work; if there's no hourly cap mandated, how do you know how long to work???). :p
> Why does the 40 hour work week sound like hell to you? Home life bad?
Some people want to work more because their job is tied to a mission that they value. Imagine if you worked at a homeless shelter helping people get back on their feet. That's deeply important work. Why would want to limit that to only 40 hours a week? Did Jesus work 40 hours a week?
> Some people want to work more because their job is tied to a mission that they value
Or it’s just fun. I have close colleagues, and I have colleagues who are friends. When there is a weird idea we have, it’s great to have the option cranking at it until it cracks.
American culture elevated workaholics to iconography in the post-War era, which produced a predictable backlash. That doesn’t mean every instance of hard work is abuse or addiction.
In my job I have both the option to work 60h/week and 20h/week and nobody cares too much as long as I deliver something once in a while. Having to limit myself when I'm full of ideas or force myself when I'm out of energy sounds terrible.
There are plenty of jobs that have 40 hour workweek and meet your goals. The union just makes sure you get better (some would say fair) compensation for that extra effort
No, the dark side of tech culture is that we’re refusing these strict formalizations of our own work environment while basically everything we sell is to do this to other workers, maybe at best one step removed.
This is why a hobby/side hustle/side project can be useful for flexing creative urges that you don't have the luxury of carrying out in your job. Because work can be drudgery, and the system pays you well, so maybe have an outlet for creative work on the side (even if it doesn't make you money).