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> But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD.

I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about.

In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.



> I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default.

I mean even if there weren't data showing that as completely untrue...

https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-s...

... then why would Tesla bother to offer FSD as a subscription service if everyone is buying it?


Well, I stand corrected. My guess is the sticker price shocks people into not choosing it then. Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving...

It's notable the FSD survey had a peak in 2019 - perhaps 2020+ is impacted by covid related things (reduction of income, etc). Or, perhaps it's being influence by monthly stories of Tesla's driving into parked objects and the like.

Still, it was a tactic to break FSD into a separate line item so marketing could tell everyone the cars were cheaper than assumed.


> Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving...

I hope not, or Tesla's reputation is going to take a hell of a beating when they learn the reality.




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