He's dealing with a self-described "student of history" who puts up a slew of easily-demolished false claims before retreating behind Well, gee, don't you think the British meant well in conquering and occupying your country?
> He's dealing with a self-described "student of history" who puts up a slew of easily-demolished false claims
So easily demolish them. I'm here for discussion, if I made a mistake, let me know. I said I wanted to hear and address opposing points of view, and I'm clarifying and trying to answer all the questions and feedback I get.
Actually, I'll be honest - the format I'm getting responses in is difficult for me to keep up with. People write eight questions/counterpoints. I answer all eight. Then they nitpick two of them and ask for all sorts of data and proof from me. They don't say, "Hey, those six points you made? Those are good points, and I now agree." They just ignore the responses and pick a single sentence or two that they can quote out of context and nitpick with. But I'm trying to address and answer them all in good faith - if someone takes the time to write an intelligent response to me, I'll try take the time to cite clarifying and supporting information.
So if I'm making false claims, please do point them out and let's discuss. I've stated, I don't know, 30-70 historical facts in almost 10 replies. I've given my personal opinions on governance based on those. If you disagree, jump in, I've had some really good discussions in this thread, and I'm learning, and apparently some other people are learning because they're voting up my comments and the people I'm discussing with, which is good.
> before retreating behind Well, gee, don't you think the British meant well in conquering and occupying your country?
Mate, it's called having a discussion. Someone has a drastically different opinion than me, and instead of just putting my fingers in my ears and saying "la la la I'm right la la la" I ask what their personal feelings are. The snark doesn't add much, but if you feel I'm mistaken, then go ahead and weigh in, point it out. If I'm mistaken on facts, I want to be corrected, and a couple people have pointed out other facts for me to consider and linked to them. If you don't agree with my opinions, do feel welcome to share your own, and perhaps I can evolve my opinions if you make a good case. Don't just say, "slew of easily-demolished false claims" without pointing out what they are - go ahead and demolish them. It doesn't hurt my feelings, and we all can learn from it.
> So easily demolish them. I'm here for discussion, if I made a mistake, let me know. I said I wanted to hear and address opposing points of view, and I'm clarifying and trying to answer all the questions and feedback I get.
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> India? Much further along than Pakistan and its non-British governed neighbors. Serious decline in prosperity, freedom, and safety; massive increase in religious violence and resurgence of the caste system after the British pulled out.
1. Pakistan was British governed.
2. Almost all neighbours of India were British governed
> So was it serfdom under the British Empire? Was it bad? You tell me - would you rather be under British governed Burma, or Burmese governed Burma? British Egypt or Egyptian Egypt? British Hong Kong or PRC Hong Kong? British India or Indian India?
To compare British and Indian India, some points which I also added to Pinkplonk's comment.
In fact I am willing to wager that there is not only no indicator of progress where India made significant progress post independence, but also that on all it made progress at a rate fater than the worldwide average.
> They just ignore the responses and pick a single sentence or two that they can quote out of context and nitpick with. But I'm trying to address and answer them all in good faith - if someone takes the time to write an intelligent response to me, I'll try take the time to cite clarifying and supporting information.
Since I am from India, and only know its history post independence, I can only provide data from that context.
There's nothing inappropriate about his tone.